In 1561, three years after Hurrem's death, the French author Gabriel Bounin wrote a tragedy titled La Soltane. And it's not "my" idea of history, I'm respecting the facts; if anyone's fabricating their own fantasy is you with your admitted speculations and possibilities.. Don't even start to talk about facts when the come from a theatre play. Her love of poetry is considered one of the reasons behind her being heavily favoured by Suleiman, who was a great admirer of poetry. Pathetic joke!! For Ukrainian language novels, see Osyp Nazaruk (1930) (English translation is available). She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. Other sources indicate that Mahidevran is of Abkhaz origin.Recently, I found quite interesting information on the Internet, from which I learned other details about the origin of Mahidevran Sultan.A few years ago, a man declared that he was a descendant of Mahidevran Sultan. [33] Cihangir, Hurrem's youngest child, allegedly died of grief a few months after the news of his half-brother's murder. I am sorry but Facts do NOT leave room for doubts. The name Roxalane derives from Roksolanes, which was the generic term used by the Ottomans to describe girls from Podolia and Galicia who were taken in slave raids. Whatever the case, the result was bitter for Mahidevran; Suleiman started to neglect her as punishment. WebHe often forgets his lines or forgets to show up altogether, so the others have to look for him. Mahidevran Turbesi6.jpg 315 470; 18 KB. My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love. Reply[reply], Sort it out. In 2019, mention of the Russian origin of Hurrem Sultan was removed from the visitor panel near her tomb at the Sleymaniye Mosque in Istanbul at the request of the Ukrainian Embassy in Turkey.[48]. I don't think the Turks would have been so quite and this web would have been still available if it wasn't authentic. She built numerous mosques, madrasahs, hammams, and resting places for pilgrims travelling to the Islamic holy city of Makkah. The reason I call for a page title is to respect Ottoman customs and history, nothing more. Muradiye complex. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Haseki Sultan was chief consort, and Hrrem Sultan was Sleyman's. Mustafa had a great sympathy towards his half-brothers, especially to Beyazt and Cihangir (the youngest ones). [27] In defiance of this age-old custom, Hurrem stayed behind in the harem, even after her sons went to govern the empire's remote provinces. If you must, then make the title read as "Mahidevran" only. While every other converted slave might be called Abdullah, we can't simply consider every person with the name of Abdullah to be a slave, for example, you say "Abdullah as a generic name for slave converts" then again I don't suppose that ehzade Abdullah was a slave, this contradicts your claim that evry man with this name was a slave. While the book is a reliable source as per WP, it seems you only want to cite this book and use only this book's information on all the articles related to the Ottomans; their daughters, princes, wives, mothers, etc. Around 1541, the Venetian ambassador wrote that Mustafa foundeda great court in Amasya, which paralleled that of his father. 2003:6A:6851:3301:2906:2827:AE05:4542 (talk) 03:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], All the references can be found here [13]. 256 0 15. Also, the rules are clear: no woman other than the sultan's own female blood relatives and main wife use the title of sultan [7]. [8] However it is clear,that Mahidevran Sultan also carried the title Sultan as she was the first main chief consort (Ba Kadn). Popular culture is defined from what had actually happened in the past, the existence of this woman wasn't thousand of years ago that we can assume the popular culture has adopted "myths". In 1520 after the death of Selim I, Suleiman moved to Istanbul to succeed his father, his court followed him afew weeks later. [16]:132, Many years later, towards the end of Suleiman's long reign, the rivalry between his sons became evident. Takabeg (talk) 09:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], Someone needs to check the pronunciation: stress and vowel length. 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Keivan.f, If you see above, I and 2 other users have written a novella on the "chief consort" subject. [2][3][4][5] She has been known by this title since Nurbano's time. Address: That's all I'm requesting, for the sake of respecting Ottoman cultural heritage. Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. Theories I presented are with facts of ottoman etiquette and evidence from History books. The book comprises 27 paintings and 27 poems After months of hard work Grantlea Downs School celebrated the opening of its sensory footpath last Friday. Nurbanus mosque was the first constructed in the capital by a woman of the dynasty to have two minarets. Why does she have sultan next to her name? Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The other wives, also not legally married to the sultan, were called "kadin" or "hatun". Also, she became an important symbol of how ottoman consorts never had a permanent position in Harem and politics as it was only after Mahidevran with whom the Ottoman started respecting their royal consorts, it is obvious, that when Hurrem Sultan was given such elevation the same time the mother of heir apparent was alive and living in the Harem, that Mahidevran was also considered as Sultan's family member and hence the title. She wasn't able to smile as she once did, and she didn't show much generosity towards her Mahidevran played a great role during her sons education as governor. After Valide Sultan's death, Mahidevran Sultan takes the lead of the harem. [6] 113.203.150.188 (talk) 02:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Popular culture and Ottoman court etiquette are two different things. In a letter to Philip II of Spain, the painter claims to have sent him a copy of this "Queen of Persia" in 1552. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Also, let's not forget that many of those artistic/theatrical depictions are based on rumors and fictitious creations for the sake of entertainment. [30], Mustafa was supported by Ibrahim Pasha, who became Suleiman's grand vizier in 1523. That's very funny!!! I was wrong I admitted that and removed the contents sourced from the blog. In 1541, when Mehmet (Hrrems first son) reached the proper age to be local governor, tensionsbetween two women rose again. Above all, her being mother of heir apparent is not a popular culture but a fact. When Suleiman freed and married her, she became the Haseki Sultan (adding the word sultan to a woman's name or title indicated that she was a part of the dynasty). And with all this research you are only proving yourself wrong because NONE OF YOUR SOURCES say that M was a Muslim Convert, rather, they say, Mahidevran, daughter of Abdullah. She quotes the sultan as saying, "with the old king we were like brothers, and if it pleases the All-Merciful God, with this king we will be as father and son." If interviews can be cited in Wikipedia for every living or dead person, why there is so much debate in this one? And only after the release of the series Magnificent Century, where she was one of the main characters, various information about this sultana began to appear on the Internet.As Mahidevran's contemporaries wrote, in life she was a black-haired beauty with brown eyes. I guess the authors were inspired by Illuminatis;) (just a joke, no offense) Anyway, I can't argue with you, I can only simply ask for an admin's attention to all of your WP:OR. Hope you understand. Who were her parents? Hurrem's contemporaries describe her as a woman who was strikingly good-looking, and different from everybody else because of her red hair. Hurrem died on 15 April 1558 due to an unknown illness and was buried in a domed mausoleum (trbe) decorated in exquisite Iznik tiles depicting the garden of paradise, perhaps in homage to her smiling and joyful nature. Which memorial do you think is a duplicate of Mahidevran Hatun (174192522)? I got this text from this reference if anyone have an actual book name to cite then please update. 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Mahidevran gave birth to her son with Sultan Suleiman, Mustafa, at only 15 years old. Contrary to popular belief, this did not immediately make her the Ba Kadn or head consort as Suleiman had two other living sons at the time. Mustafa became verypopular in the region under the guidance of his mother. Please, change the title to simply "Mahidevran"; all the other speculation can remain in the biography part. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. Her influence with Suleiman made her one of the most powerful women in Ottoman history and in the world at that time. Mahidevran tried to save her only grandson, but she failed again. Mahidevran and Mustafa lost one more time, now Selim (the second son of Hrrem) became the governor of the Manisa. [17], Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, partially suppressed the rivalry between the two women. Why not any other Hatun has that article differences. The army, the governors and thepeople loved Mustafa dearly. Moreover, she is referred to as "Mahidevran Sultan" in popular history books, TV series and touristic literature. Her full name was Glbahar Mahidevran Sultan 1 due to her great beauty; Glbahar means rose of the spring and Mahidevran means the most beautiful in all. According to him, Mahidevran Sultan was the daughter of Prince Idar Temryuk.Was it really so? [18] According to Bernardo Navagero's report, as a result of the bitter rivalry a fight between the two women broke out, with Mahidevran beating Hurrem, which angered Suleiman. sultanas. Mahidevran Sultan probably had a stillborn child or short-lived daughter somewhere between 1521 and 1524. The Ottoman Empire, 13001650: The Structure of Power. Please see meaning of "Birinci Kadin" in whatever Ottoman Dictionary you like. Also note the rank Kadin or Birinci Kadin ended with Mahidevran, this rank changed to Haseki Sultan (logically this is what happened). Some sources say she moved to Topkap, not because of the fire, but as a result of her marriage to Suleiman. She learns about the pregnancy of Nigar Kalfa through Gulsah and she informs Hatice Sultan of his husband's unfaithfulness. ((reftalk))Reply[reply], There is no consensus to add the interview of an "alleged descendant" of Mahidevran to this article. The title of this page has to be changed and needs to be protected from any form of cultural erasure. Since the empire lacked, until the reign of Ahmed I (16031617), any formal means of nominating a successor, successions usually involved the death of competing princes in order to avert civil unrest and rebellions. [25], After the death of Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, in 1534, Hurrem became the most trusted news source of Suleiman. Again, it's just my opinion I still oppose the change of title. And there is lots of lots of doubts about the title of this woman. [5] Michalo Lituanus wrote in the 16th century that "the most beloved wife of the present Turkish emperor mother of his first [son] who will govern after him, was kidnapped from our land". Unless we have another source which gives us the sketch of positions of Sultan's consorts in Harem, the WEB SITE can be cited, because there is no mentioning of consort's positions and their status in their master's harem in Leslie's book. In her second letter to Sigismund Augustus, written in response to his letter, Hurrem expresses in superlative terms her joy at hearing that the king is in good health and that he sends assurances of his sincere friendliness and attachment towards Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. Among her first foundations were a mosque, two Quranic schools (madrassa), a fountain, and a women's hospital near the women's slave market (Avret Pazary) in Istanbul (Haseki Sultan Complex). [42], It is believed that Hurrem was a cunning, manipulative and stony-hearted woman who would execute anyone who stood in her way. Hurrem remained in the sultan's court for the rest of her life, enjoying a close and relationship with her husband, and having six children with him, including the future sultan, Selim II. Learn how and when to remove this template message, CrimeanNogai slave raids in Eastern Europe, De moribus tartarorum, lituanorum et moscorum, "2 Reasons Why Hurrem Sultan and Empress Ki were similar", "Ottoman Empire History Encyclopedia - Letter H - Ottoman Turkish history with pictures - Learn Turkish", Constantinople: City of the World's Desire, 14531924, "Hrrem Sultan: A beloved wife or master manipulator? [3][11][12] While Hrrem became Suleiman's new favorite and later his legal wife, Mahidevran Sultan retained the status of the crowned mother of Suleiman's eldest son,[13] and became Suleiman's "first wife". If you all come to an agreement earlier let me know. In the end, she found herself in Manisa as one of the women in the Suleimans harem. [49] Artists Titian, Melchior Lorich, and Sebald Beham were all influential in creating a visual representation of Roxelana. Scholars thus agree that European artists created a visual identity for Ottoman women that was largely imagined. And Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of Suleiman,like Gulfem or Fulane.After the death of the sons of other consorts by diseases She was the mother of only son of Suleiman the magnificent and according to the ottoman tradition sje was Suleiman's Bas kadin,which was the most powerful position for a Sultan's consort before creation and after abolition of the title Haseki Sultan.As Leslie P. Pierce said that during Suleiman's reign the title for Queen mother, Princesses and Sultan's chief consort changed to Sultan from Hatun.And other ordinary consorts of Sultan held the title Hatun.And Mahidevran Sultan was favorite and chief consort of Suleiman before hurrem,and she was the mother of crown prince of the ottoman empire. She was the first imperial consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. The poem in the show was written by Mustafa's companion, Yayha Bey. In real life, Yayha Bey also did write a poem too. So it was not Suleiman himse Through her husband, she played an active role in affairs of the state. Uzunarl, smail Hakk; Karal, Enver Ziya (1975). Just Skip that Cariye part as everyone knows even the princesses who were lawfully wedded to Sultans of Ottoman dynasty, Shah Jehans of Mughal emperors and Sheikhs of Arab, were all considered slave to their husbands. You are not helping in maintaining the neutrality, rather imposing your opinions extracted from your sources. Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.161.124.138 (talk) 14:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], SO many false claimed about Mahidevran and a daughter of Sleyman , who called Raziye. Mahidevran, concubine of Suleiman the Magnificent Birth Place: Bosporus, Turkey Birthday: 1500 Death Date: February 3, 1581(age 81) This has to stop, no factual person will buy your theory. [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. Not only is the phrasing leaving much to be desired, the conclusion is also a subjective speculation presented as a fact. Magnificent century (Muhtesem Yuzy by I heart Duncan James. It's not her possible title and you think this is a joke. It turned out to be a certain Said Perizad Temryukoglu. 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